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#1282 - 07/05/01 03:18 AM Pony bottles
scuba1066 Offline
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Hi,
I am a DIR diver, and would like to add a pony bottle on my side - I have seen others do so, and hang the bottle like horizontally, some as big as 30 cu in bottles - like a deco bottle.

What are my options for clipping this bottle into me? I assume the DIR method is to attach the bottle via bolt snaps to my harness D-rings? Is a 30 cu in bottle way too big?

Thanks,


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#1283 - 07/05/01 09:16 AM Re: Pony bottles
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In short 30 ft3 is not even close to being too large.
Take Care,
Sean

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#1284 - 07/06/01 03:14 AM Re: Pony bottles
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OK, Thanks!

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#1285 - 07/06/01 03:21 AM Re: Pony bottles
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First, a 30 is a small bottle. Most slings you'll see are deco or travel gas in a 72 steel or 80 alum and bottom gas on back.

Second, you need to ask yourself why a pony. If you are diving DIR, doubles with an iso manifold will probably suit your philosophical needs. However, if you wish to add a margin of error to normal recreational diving, perhaps a pony is what you need. I use a 30 for classes, SAR, normal diving needs, and potentially ice.

The was a nice write up in DiveTraining Mag within the last couple of months on how to do a sling. Bolts, cord, and hose clamps. You may wish to follow up with some additional research into GUE and DIR to find the answer too.


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#1286 - 07/07/01 02:13 PM Re: Pony bottles
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Hi,
I dive DIR, but I don't dive with 'twins' - I use a single AL80 and looking for redundency in case my 1st stage fails - but, probably the best bet would be to add a 'Y' valve so I could use 2 seperate 1st stages....

Thoughts on this?


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#1287 - 07/08/01 10:26 AM Re: Pony bottles
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My advice to you if you are going to continue diving a single cylinder would be to purchase a slightly larger single cylinder and use a dual outlet valve.

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#1288 - 07/09/01 03:56 AM Re: Pony bottles
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OK, thanks...

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#1289 - 07/12/01 05:15 PM Re: Pony bottles
scuba1066 Offline
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But dual-outlets don't help if I run out of air!

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#1290 - 07/12/01 08:11 PM Re: Pony bottles
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Thats why you dive a larger cylinder and plan your dive based on gas consumption

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#1291 - 07/21/01 02:21 PM Re: Pony bottles
scuba1066 Offline
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I know, I know....DIR philosophy - "If your Buddy runs of of air, its YOUR fault for not being a good Dive Buddy and keeping an eye on HIS and YOUR SPG's!
Thanks!

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#1292 - 07/22/01 01:15 PM Re: Pony bottles
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Ok, no one has even asked what types of diving are you doing. If your planning on Recreational wreck diving.( use a 19 cu attach to your bc strap with a 7ft hose)
Now if you want to do deep wreck or cave - how about taking advanced training. You might find so great info there. Try GUE- they are probably the best in tech classes. Then you would use stage deco bottles with nylon straps attached to your harness. Halycon puts out a good video ( poor directoral quality and to much ego but the tech information is the best on video) And what do you know it called DIR

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#1293 - 07/30/01 04:54 PM Re: Pony bottles
scuba1066 Offline
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Thanks EricF...I have not yet seen Irvine's video, but heard of his legendary 'ego'!
Thanks!

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#1294 - 08/01/01 12:27 AM Re: Pony bottles
Rebecca Offline
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Oh! That video.... It confused me to death. The guy with the "ego" kept going in circles. It seemed to me like a technical home video. Iím sure for those who could understand it; it had a lot of good information.


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#1295 - 07/31/01 07:03 PM Re: Pony bottles
scuba1066 Offline
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Rebecca,
I am just a rec diver right now - just like some added 'safety margins' - just in case. I know no one should ever run out of air - but hey, its not a perfect world!

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#1296 - 08/03/01 12:45 AM Re: Pony bottles
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There is a lot of good information on the video. It is always good to strive to dive safer. I was just agreeing with eric that the video was poorly done.

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#1297 - 08/06/01 09:16 PM Re: Pony bottles
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Reverting back to the original question, for a recreational diver, a 30CF pony bottle is perfectly appropriate. In an OOA situation it has plenty of air to perform an ascent with a safety stop from the deepest recreational depth.
As far as attaching it to you and a SINGLE CYLINDER, I like a bracket system that allows for attachment to the cylinder on your back with a seven foot hose as mentioned by Eric. The bracket allows for less shifting of the tank as you move and the longer hose allows for you and/or a buddy to use it in many different environments.
If you are set on the straps hanging from your D-Rings, that is also a good method and the smaller tank is less likely to leave you off balance when mounted out to one side. In this case, the hose clamps, D-rings and nylon straps with small caribeeners on both ends are the way to go.

As mentioned above, a Y valve does not account for being out of air - regardless of who should be watching whos' air supply. We train for these emergencies and take measures to prevent them because they have happened in the past.

My two cents anyway.


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#1298 - 08/09/01 01:32 AM Re: Pony bottles
jmsdiver Offline
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Using a bracket versus a sling doesn't make one more stable or off center. The fact remains that if you have a tank on one side or the other, whether on your back or sling, you will be pulled that way. I have to set my weights to have 10 pounds on the right and 4 on the left to offset the weight of the pony I carry on my back.

However, if you want to save a couple of bucks, you can make a sling bracket from the parts at the Local Hardware store pretty easily, and much cheaper than a pre-fab back bracket. I like it on my back because it's more stable (using the Ultimate Pony Bracket) and I can quickly change out a tank without fussing with snaps.

Remember to consider what type of diving you'll be using it for and that it's a pain to take it anywhere on a plane.

Cheers


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